Silent Avant-Garde [Kino][USA] ADDED

[Matt_Bailey]

Title: Silent Avant-Garde
Country: USA
Region: All
Releasing Studio: Kino Classics
Case Type: Keep case
Aspect Ratio:
Codec: AVC
Picture: 10800p24
Soundtracks: DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0
Subtitles (are they optional?): None
Cuts: 188:39
Amazon ASIN (US, UK, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, or Spain): B0BQ19CCCC
Source: Own it

Films:
Twenty-Four Dollar Island (1925)
Eisenstein Mexican Footage: Fiesta of the Virgin of Guadalupe (1930)
Anémic Cinema (1926)
Pas de deux (1924)
Vorkapich Montage: "Skyline Dance" - Manhattan Cocktail (1928)
Vorkapich Montage: "The Money Machine" - Wolf of Wall Street (1929)
Vorkapich Montage: "Prohibition" - Sins of the Fathers (1928)
Vorkapich Montage: "The Furies" - Crime Without Passion (1934)
A Bronx Morning (1931)
Look Park (1973)
The Life and Death of 9413 - A Hollywood Extra (1927)
Hands: The Life and Loves of the Gentler Sex (1927)
Return to Reason (1923)
Manhatta (1921)
Ballet Mechanique (1924, 1931)
The Hearts of Age (1934)
Escape (1938)
N.Y., N.Y. (1949-1958)
The Eclipse aka Rose Hobart (1936-1949)
Tenga fe (1906, 1922, 2022)
The Enchanted City (1922)

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Soundtracks: DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0

Are the scores in stereo or mono? Are there any credited composers?

Films:
Twenty-Four Dollar Island (1925)
Eisenstein Mexican Footage: Fiesta of the Virgin of Guadalupe (1930)
Anémic Cinema (1926)
Pas de deux (1924)
Vorkapich Montage: "The Money Machine" - Wolf of Wall Street (1929)
Vorkapich Montage: "Prohibition" - Sins of the Fathers (1928)
Vorkapich Montage: "The Furies" - Crime Without Passion (1934)
A Bronx Morning (1931)
Look Park (1973)
The Life and Death of 9413 - A Hollywood Extra (1927)
Hands: The Life and Loves of the Gentler Sex (1927)
Return to Reason (1923)
Manhatta (1921)
Ballet Mechanique (1924, 1931)
The Hearts of Age (1934)
Escape (1938)
N.Y., N.Y. (1949-1958)
The Eclipse aka Rose Hobart (1936-1949)
Tenga fe (1906, 1922, 2022)
The Enchanted City (1922)

Are these only available in a "play all"? Are there no individual runtimes?

[Matt_Bailey]

Just one giant "play all" playlist.

There's a gigantic list of composers credited on the back cover art, but no indication of which composer goes with which film.

[Matt_Bailey]

Donald Sosin: 1, 4, 9, 14, 16, 21
Gustavo Matamoros: 3
John Alden Carpenter: 5-6-7
Ludwig van Beethoven: 8
Jacob Druckman, Jacques Offenbach: 10
Carlos Dominguez, Alex Lough: 11
Marc Blitzstein: 12
George Antheil, Guy Livingston, Paul Lehrman: 13
George Antheil, Charles Amirkhanian: 15
Johann Sebastian Bach, Leopold Stokowski: 17
Gene Forrell: 18
Rafael Audinot, Alberto de Bru, Cuarteto Caney: 19
Christian Wolff: 20

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Donald Sosin: 1, 4, 9, 14, 16, 21
Gustavo Matamoros: 3
John Alden Carpenter: 5-6-7
Ludwig van Beethoven: 8
Jacob Druckman, Jacques Offenbach: 10
Carlos Dominguez, Alex Lough: 11
Marc Blitzstein: 12
George Antheil, Guy Livingston, Paul Lehrman: 13
George Antheil, Charles Amirkhanian: 15
Johann Sebastian Bach, Leopold Stokowski: 17
Gene Forrell: 18
Rafael Audinot, Alberto de Bru, Cuarteto Caney: 19
Christian Wolff: 20

So it seems "2", the Eisenstein footage is without music at all?
Also, some of the music seems to be from the time of its release, such as the Vorkapich montages from feature films, "Look Park", "Life and Death of 9413", "Escape", "NY NY", "The Eclipse", I assume these are in mono while the others are in stereo. Can you confirm?

[Matt_Bailey]

Can confirm the Eisenstein is entirely silent. It's basically just raw footage from the shoot that ended up in ¡Que Viva Mexico!

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

In addition to checking the scores being stereo / mono, could you also let us know if any of the films have non-English intertitles? If so do they have optional or burned-in English subtitles for those portions?

[Matt_Bailey]

As with the Gaumont set, there's no subtitle track. Intertitles are for things like narrative and dialogue, and most of these films don't really have that. I've checked half a dozen films and only two seem to have any titles at all, both in English.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

So most of the films don’t even have title cards or copyrights on them at the start?

[Matt_Bailey]

Manhatta: English introductory text, English title cards, intertitles
The Enchanted City: English title cards, intertitles
Return to Reason: English introductory text
Ballet mécanique: English introductory text, English title card, French title card
Pas de deux: Nothing
Anemic Cinema: Title card literally just says "Anémic Cinéma" and nothing else, guess it's French?
Twenty-Four Dollar Island: English title cards, intertitles
Vorkapich: English title card "Vorkapich Montage Sequences" at the start of "Skyline", nothing else
Life and Death of 9413: English title cards, intertitles
Hände: German title cards, intertitles, burned-in English subs
A Bronx Morning: English title cards
Hearts of Age: English title cards
Rose Hobart: English introductory text
Escape: English title cards
NY, NY: English title cards
Look Park: English title cards, intertitles
Tenga Fe: English copyright card

Note that "Hearts of Age" is also on Criteron's Citizen Kane release

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Note that "Hearts of Age" is also on Criteron's Citizen Kane release

Thanks for reminding me. I thought I saw it released somewhere else before.
Please let me know about the shorts that may have mono audio only.

[Matt_Bailey]

I still don't know how I'm supposed to answer that question.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Basically by listening by ear. Just check a segment to check if it's in stereo sound or mono. Easy to check if you have Dolby Pro-logic setup, or if you use earphones.

[Matt_Bailey]

Donald Sosin: 1, 4, 9, 14, 16, 21
Gustavo Matamoros: 3
John Alden Carpenter: 5-6-7
Ludwig van Beethoven: 8
Jacob Druckman, Jacques Offenbach: 10
Carlos Dominguez, Alex Lough: 11
Marc Blitzstein: 12
George Antheil, Guy Livingston, Paul Lehrman: 13
George Antheil, Charles Amirkhanian: 15
Johann Sebastian Bach, Leopold Stokowski: 17
Gene Forrell: 18
Rafael Audinot, Alberto de Bru, Cuarteto Caney: 19
Christian Wolff: 20

So it seems "2", the Eisenstein footage is without music at all?
Also, some of the music seems to be from the time of its release, such as the Vorkapich montages from feature films, "Look Park", "Life and Death of 9413", "Escape", "NY NY", "The Eclipse", I assume these are in mono while the others are in stereo. Can you confirm?

Life and Death is stereo, the others you listed are in mono except for "The Eclipse", which doesn't seem to relate to anything on the set?

Ballet mecanique, Pas de deux, Anemic Cinema, Hände, A Bronx Morning, and Tenga Fe might be mono? Tough to tell. Ballet mecanique sounds like an older recording, most other tracks sound newly-recorded. Tough to tell what the Anemic score even is. Rose Hobart seems to have a lot of crackling, which is stereo, but I couldn't swear it's not intentional either, and the score underneath it is tough to pick as a result.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

I also missed this:
What are the aspect ratios? All 1.33:1?

[Matt_Bailey]

Manhatta: 1.30:1
Enchanted City: 1.33:1
Return to Reason: 1.27:1
Ballet mecanique: 1.27:1
Pas de deux: 1.37:1
Anemic Cinema: 1.32:1
Twenty-four Dollar Island: 1.33:1
Vorkapich: 1.33:1
Life and Death of 9413: 1.15:1
Hände: 1.37:1
Bronx Morning: 1.35:1
Hearts of Age: 1.35:1
Rose Hobart: 1.34:1
Escape: 1.22:1
NY, NY: 1.33:1
Look Park: 1.31:1
Tenga fe: 1.32:1
Eisenstein: 1.36:1

[Matt_Bailey]

I also spotted an English intertitle in A Bronx Morning while looking at the ARs.

[James-Masaki_Ryan]

Thank you. And finally added! Now will look into updating the Alice Guy set.